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hi everyone this is Martin Willis with

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podcast UFO calm today's episode is our

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second session with Don Schmidt on

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Roswell how you doing dawn yeah it's

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great to be with you again Martin so

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it's been too long but it's all my fault

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I accept the responsibility but well

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though well those of us who are tend to

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be a little bit more obsessed with our

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research we tend to disappear in the

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woodwork at times because we like to

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become flies on the walls of certain

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witnesses and the like and we have to

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hide our actions at times but nothing to

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various but nonetheless where the

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proactive investigators who were out in

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the trenches so trying to solve you know

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this ultimate mystery which we believe

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is the biggest story of the millennium

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yes I know I appreciate the time that

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actually has gone by because more things

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have happened so there's more to talk

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about there always is and what's good

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what at the amazing even Larry King the

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number of times mentioned to us that you

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know for a story that is now over 50 as

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it turns out now 65 years old it comes

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back stronger every year no matter how

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to the bunkers no matter how often the

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government tries to explain it away it

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still keeps rising for the surface and

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myths don't do that hoaxes don't do that

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once there you know explain the way it

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typically is the end of it but it's the

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truth that keeps bubbling to the top and

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that's why I'm so confident that we're

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dealing here with legitimate situation

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because it keeps trying to come out as

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it truly happened the witnesses even to

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the death beds continue to come forward

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not by us insisting that they do so but

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their families so often seek us out we

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need to tell you about what my husband

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just said what my father just said that

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type of thing and it's the same story

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over and over again and indeed we

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captured we recovered a flying saucer

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back in nineteen forty seven in the last

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podcast we did together a real quick

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recap you explained the situation and

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also about the witnesses and the number

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of witnesses was somewhere around 600

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director indirect and out of those 600

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the the thing that really struck in that

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podcast with me is out of those six

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hundred witnesses that not one single

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witness said that it could have been a

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weather balloon or crash dummies or it

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or the mogul that's true Gregory means

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true so after all these years yes yeah

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that that right there that says a little

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bit right there all 30 does yes I just

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imagine if I was a government defense

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attorney it defense in the sense that

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say we would actually take a legal stuff

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we would have a class action suit

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representing all the civilians who were

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involved who directly were threatened by

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officials by military officers within

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our own United States government to

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essentially keep their mouth shut about

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what they knew to be the truth and under

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the you know penalties of death I mean

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as we described in the previous program

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how parents were told we will kill your

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children get you ever discussed this

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again if you ever talk about this in

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public well what could be so sensitive

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involving civilians that in strict

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violation of the United States

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Constitution the United States

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government would use its own military to

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threaten its own citizenry and so we

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would take a class action suit just as a

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hypothetical and they had to defend

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their actions well first of all they

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have to explain why they came up with

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the counter solution to counter

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explanation being that it was a common

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weather balloon device with a radar

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reflector if again it was something

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else and then some 50 years later they

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would come up with another theory as it

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turned out project mogul which was a

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similar balloon device but

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it was a top secret project back 1947 in

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that it was determining whether the

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Soviets were detonating their own atomic

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devices post World War two and the

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concept was that we would pick up a

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shockwave in the upper atmosphere okay

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fine the project was top secret but

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certainly the components were not it was

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still a balloon and the last one being

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the anthro morphic wouldn't crash

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dummies so they'd have to defend all of

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these silly counter you know ploys to

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essentially suppress this bury this

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cover this up and then the first would

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have to demonstrate and prove why it

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necessitated you know the need to

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threaten American citizens again if it

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wasn't something so ultra secret so

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sensitive so unbelievable that they had

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to resort to even death threats so I

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love to see this you know play out in a

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court of law we've been approached by a

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number of a TV networks in the past you

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know if we'd even be interested in such

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a scenario actually taking Roz what a

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court in fact after our next book which

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is on wright-patterson Air Force Base

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the next book on Roswell will be

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essentially Roswell's day in court the

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tentative title is Roswell the final

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verdict and we will present it as we

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would given such an opportunity how this

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would play out and how these over six

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hundred witnesses directly or indirectly

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involved sadly most of them now deceased

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but nonetheless that their testimony is

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on the public record they have signed

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affidavits they had given video

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depositions they have told us in non

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contradictory terms that this indeed did

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happen that this was something not

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manufactured here this was something not

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made on this earth

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that is the one officer said they sure

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weren't for tech from Texas in reference

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to the bodies and on and on and on and

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as you mentioned Martin there are no

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witnesses that refute that the skeptics

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cause the you know dredge up um not even

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any way in any way do as far as

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witnesses to support what they can only

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present as personal attacks attacks on

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the witnesses attacks on us and to me

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that's a losing hand because the the

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wealth of circumstantial and evidentiary

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you know information regarding this

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incident is just beyond the human pale

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the idea that over 600 people would be

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telling us the same story a police

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officer should be so lucky in

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investigating any crime and you have a

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dozen witnesses and if they will all

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tell you the same count right people's

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observational capacities just aren't you

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know that in tune with even their

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immediate environment at any one given

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time so this two smacks have just how

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profound how unique this was it has

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stood the test of time it remains

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indelibly etched in their subconscious

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and whenever they're asked about it as

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one of the witnesses described it's the

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first thing I think about in the morning

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and it's the last thing I think about at

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night Wow well now you mentioned just a

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few minutes ago about the death threats

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have you spoken to more than one person

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that has said the same thing on that oh

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recent accounts involved although the

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wife of Peter Anaya who worked out at

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the base at that time and was involved

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in retrieving repair picking up through

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the tenant governor Joseph Montoya at

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that time with his brother Rubin and

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another individual who also worked out

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at the base and his wife would describe

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that a number of military

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officers arrived at their home that

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evening and insisted that her husband

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come outside but she could still over

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here all the yelling the conversation as

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it took place as it went down and

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basically them they're telling her to

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stay in the house stay out of it but

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insisting that her husband never say a

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word about what happened and that if

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they ever did they would be killed wow

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wow and she wasn't even directly

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involved and so they used her as

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leverage they used her to really as far

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as emphasize the fact that this is

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something again that can never come out

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how important this was and the extreme

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levels to which they had to resort to

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make sure that that people didn't talk

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about it so back several months ago we

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were going to record at 7pm I believe

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your time and you are hot on the trail

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of something to do with Roswell and we

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couldn't hook up can you talk about what

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that was at the time I can go into it

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briefly because it's something we're

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still working on in fact we're working

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on it every day because it could involve

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physical evidence oh and as a result

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involved a quick unscheduled trip and

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actually meeting with someone who is in

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possession of said material and we're

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talking specifically regarding it

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remains something you know pertaining to

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the bodies oh so this is beyond material

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or even with physical material from the

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craft the ship the crash site that type

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of thing so it's something new it's

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something we had a number false alarms

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regarding in the past but this this

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particular situation is much more

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promising

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know because I don't want to be very

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careful yes because again people's lives

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may be at risk and I have to be careful

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not to certainly Telegraph our actions

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but let's just say it will either go

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down as a tremendous Hulk's that people

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went through a tremendous effort and

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expense to try to perpetrate this and if

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not it potentially is a smoking gun Wow

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and so lightly pretty soon yeah it could

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finally put this thing to bed basically

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which would be I would like to think so

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but given the skeptical mind set

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especially the the American press the

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American media that enough will never be

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enough it comes down to when will it be

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enough for us then we can walk away and

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just go mission accomplished and feel

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justified in our essentially shutting

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down the efforts I'd like to believe

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it's sometime in the near future I'd

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like to believe that it could happen is

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as soon as tomorrow if our efforts you

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know continue to produce results but

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nonetheless I have to resign myself to

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accept that enough will may never be

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enough that it is still something that

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again we have to keep in mind that the

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powers that be trying at the time of the

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intern I 947 decided that this was never

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to come out and I don't mean that it was

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going to be just a five year you know

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leg time or 10 years or even 50 years

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it's quite evident that the way they

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have buried this the the manner by which

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as many people have died with this but

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not past and I passing it down as I've

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often said the old order in the military

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is not passing it down to the new

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so it's not like there's even a

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continuing project a continuing effort

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to solve this it's like you've always

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had the answer but yet they don't have

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any answers that being the cover of

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ignorance they have the physical proof

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but they don't have any motives they

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don't know from where from wire from who

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and they still can't plug it in they

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still can make it work so to speak as

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far as reverse engineering or developing

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any technology as a result of this

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recovery back in 1947 so i would think

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out of even frustration lack of of any

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return on their part for all of their

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efforts in these past 65 years that they

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just have washed their hands of it and

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it's like the phenomenon exists it's

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there and there's nothing we can do

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about it and how do they go to the

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public oddity you know announce to the

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world that we've been visited we are

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being visited that aircraft are flying

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through our airspace with total impunity

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for all these years and we can't do

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anything about it well I mean what

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elected official is going to make that

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announcement right and if it was it

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would have to be for all the skeptics to

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actually believe it it would probably

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have to be the president of the United

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States live on TV announcing it or maybe

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not even then not even then because it's

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like the most recent example as far as

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with the assassination of sama bin Laden

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and there it was a case of the President

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President Obama gone before the American

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people and making that very announcement

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and even going to some detail on how it

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was accomplished and the steps that led

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up to their finally discovering his

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whereabouts and then and how he was how

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he was killed and nonetheless within

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days after there were version after

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version after version yeah and stir and

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it was like I was doing a talk in

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Illinois shortly thereafter and I

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jokingly even made the statement made

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the announcement that

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a major terrorist of the man behind 911

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who had instrumented as far as that

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fatal attack as far as on our own Shores

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had finally been killed by American

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troops and then I posed the question on

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which version and we you know asked to

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believe which one are we going to

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believe was it Navy SEALs was it dealt

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you know Air Force delica forest was

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army special forces in conjunction with

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one another or how many troops were

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involved was there an actual gun fight

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that took place on on and on and on and

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demonstrating that again even if the

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president makes such a statement such an

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announcement it still comes down to the

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cynic and so many of us and it said that

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it's become the case with the press with

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elected officials we look every time

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there is a a popularity poll taken as

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far as job performance and even

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professional we always see that

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politicians rate right at the bottom and

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yet the military rates still very highly

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now military rates highly and

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justifiably okay that was episode number

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16 with Don Schmidt if you want to

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listen to the rest of this just head

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over to podcast UFO calm and click on